I mean, I live 4-5 hours away, so maybe its more familiar to me, but its well known apparently outside of the area, yes, enough to make it onto the simpsons lol. As an old socialist (FDR style) who also believes in free dialogue, I like to be in the know about the ideas of those who dont believe as I believe. I also think that many Calvinista leaders believe that God is so with them and their election and awesome leadership that nothing bad could ever happen to them. ", Hoffpauir said, "For so many years, I knew (the abuse) was wrong, but I looked around, and no one else cared. I did have some extended family leave the mission field after about 20 years when they were required to sign the BFM 2000. the wife had an M.Div so lead worship and preached while her husband was working the bush. I wrote a post Your Pastor Is a Sinner which discusses this very thing. But alas, Im too much the free-thinker and free-spirit to go the whole enchilada by conversion to Catholicism. Well, there is something to that, but no emphasis was placed on training the conscienceonly on understanding doctrine and memorizing bible verses. Thats what God-hating narcissists do who want something from youmaybe your soul. Pete was what a Christian should look like. Yandell and his parents reached a civil settlement with Kanakuk in 2010 regarding abuse Yandell suffered at the hands of Newman, who is now in prison on two life sentences for sexually abusing multiple children at the evangelical summer camp. Pete was one of the most passionate, enthusiastic and sincere (seeming) believers I had ever met. He also hung out with Newman "just in town." (Deebs, thanks for all you do. Can you point me to Friedmans writings in which he talks about doing the right thing? Karis Trippe, senior electrical engineering at John Brown University and former counselor at Kanakuk in 2018, said the camp did mention the incident at camp through the sexual harassment training she took in her counselor orientation. Though trusted by many, even parents, Newman was a serial sexual . Thou hast the words of eternal life, and they cannot go far wrong. After gas which will be about thirty bucks a week, so I will have made 38.00 take home, wow it puts it into perspective for me im making about .27 cents an hour take home after taxes and gas. The connection is so deep, and that loyalty is so strong, that you'll essentially kind of do whatever to keep that relationship. I use my phone to plug into internet on the desk top, it saves money. This just breaks my heart. That shouldnt happen. ", Hoffpauir said he does not know who funded the counseling by Staples. 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How are people supposed to live believing they cannot trust themselves on basic things like this? At least thats how it feels. Much like turning the Titanic. We never hear about it from that end of things. Christianne is a catholic and I am an episcopalian and our beliefs about the Lords Supper aka communion aka Holy Eucharist are similar but not identical in all aspects. Ugh, I have seen this ruin a person. Once again, the "secular" world does a "better" job than the church! The difference is there is licensing involved and CPAs risk losing their license to practice. Its just my opinion based on my experience with institutional cultures. The documents state that the defendants motivation for continuing to employ Newman was financial in his reputation among kampers was such that it engendered return visits to kamp and more money for the defendants. Even after a few situations caused GW to think they are a little off kilter, the effect his attendance had is far reaching. I am not against prevention. Joe and his camp, Kanakuk, have been sued by Multiple former campers claiming that he and the camp knew that former employee Pete Newman was abusing children on camp grounds from 1999-2009. And yet, in sacred Scripture, we learn about the law that God inscribes on the hearts of human persons, this: They can do their jobs well, even though theyre getting paid by the business. So they took theirs and snuck into the bathroom at night and texted her about their day. Quite possibly. Curious, and from the tone of your comment, it doesnt sound like the same thing as a closed table where only members of that particular church are welcome to take communion. On April 23, after a Taney County Sheriff's detective interviewed Kanakuk director Kris Cooper about Newman's sexual crimes, he noted in the incident report, "Kris mainly talked about the accomplishments and good work that Pete Newman did for Kamp." Even after Newman's 2010 conviction, Kanakuk leaders esteem for Newman remained evident. In my own Church, this is indicated by a lampstand with a lit candle inside of red glass. But PP is no Mohler. There really are three different services we are talking about here that maybe should not be covered by the same company. Any victim can reach out to Kanakuk by emailing us at victimsupport@kanakuk.com or access several independent victim advocacy organizations such as ChildHelp.org or Rainn.org, which can provide access to local support services, reporting assistance, and educational resources. She's blaming other parents for not saying things, but they didn't even know. And churches will continually attempt to make themselves look as positive as they can. Thanks again for your kind words. On top of that, it costs money to sue, and Im not even talking about attorneys fees. They met at a Youth Life event in 1999, a decade before the prayer-request phone call. Thats why the lawsuits were filed. There is no licensing for abuse prevention trainers or investigators. Colleges are often very bad in dealing with rape, too. Many here have referred to it as the long con. Newman reportedly hadnaked conversations with campersand engaged in mutual masturbation and"hot tub Bible studies" with boys, as the News-Leader reported during his 2009 trial. Im glad there is a witness who says he/she will come forward if leadership lies about what went down. Jesus did not mince words. Is there a shortage of lawyers who will sue on behalf of victims? Now I find out its not so, evidently just some provincial little place that merits only an obscure, inside reference on the Simpsons. And he spoke two nights, and I was his minor, little-kid helper. Give me an atheist junkyard dog lawyer at that point. I know several good and wonderful Catholic people from St. Matthews parish here in my area. But it is extremely disturbing to see SO many churches that are either clueless, negligent, or just plain dont care about these issues. If you believe his words, they tell you to not judge superficially, by the image that is projected. I guess if it happened awhile ago it doesnt matter. Same thing with a LOT of Big Name Net Presences the ones who literally live in their Mommys Basement, Building Their Brand 24/7/365 on Social Media after Social Media (I KNOW of one a local Professional Fanboy character whos a laughingstock to everyone who knew him FTF but is A Major Playa Social Media Celebrity with 50,000+ Facebook followers. They dont do creeds anyway. Maybe they do. Newman, Hoffpauir said, performed the ceremony. They are unfortunately few around us. But fixing the heart? Get a good PR team? I stuffed it. Unfortunately, it seems to indicate that Fellowship Memphis does not take either child sex abuse or voyeurism seriously. If you mean that ones own thoughts and feelings (the conscience) are sufficient in themselves without scripture to mediate that personal responsibility to God, then no that was not what I was taught. Not so in this world. "We graduated college, we spent about 10 years away from Branson, just being free and clear of everything this town has to offer. Apparently he was intelligent and troubled enough in conscience to seek a better situation. It read: The Lord is in his holy temple, let all the earth keep silent before Him. The day the camp director found out, both counselors from that cabin were told to pack their bags and leave, and all of the parents of kids in the cabin were informed. First: I have never commented but I read this blog frequently. Note the dateit was a year before the Globe published its story and it didnt have the impact the Globes story did. I have had a calling towards Student Ministry for many years and volunteered alongside Pete at the local Methodist Church. It is still hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that he is capable of the heinous acts that he committed, and would do that kind of damage to these boys. Reminds me of another CS Lewis quote: Experience, that most brutal of teachers. Threats of violence. As sex crimes attorney/advocate/author Andrew Vachss said, They arent just sick but sickening.. I think thats what some of these Christian abuse prevention organizations are attempting to do. There is no more blatant picture of filth than one who would victimize and seek to corrupt innocent, vulnerable children. At least that is what I heard from someone. But the longer I live, and experience life, the more I see a place for it I hope that camp, and it leaders, get sue out of business and bankrupt!!! If we question, then we are labeled not trusting and that is one of the deadly sins. People are divided on what they think in this area, not just the baptists. Newman continued his heinous activities and was finallyarrested in 2010. Thats why they have to take over churches instead of planting new ones. I could rant more, but I am just singing to choir with you all.. retaining a person on staff who is a child predator and actually has been arrested for that is bad PR! He works to protect churches. Many will say to Me on that day, didnt we run Christian camps in your name, and publish books in your Name, and promote purity of doctrine and gender roles in your Name? They believed this way before they ever had a ministry, but they did have men in the church and pastors grooming them and telling them that a call from God meant they would do great things. We need to call it what it is: stealing a life for selfish perverted sexual gratification. I never heard the word Holy Ghost as it was said back then, until I was somewhere around 10 or 11 and then I heard it from another child-not parents or church. Its just not worth the risk. Well known Christians send their kids there and parents like to stand around, pointing out the celebrities on Parents' Day. And the real issue is this: If Mark Driscoll had made any effort at a real amends to the people he harmed, like Paul Petry and his wife Jonna, their children, and others for the firings, excommunications, and shunningsand all of the other lies and abusesyou wouldnt be out there. Velour UNITED STATES on Fri Sep 02, 2016 at 12:33 AM said: I will keep vigil tonight for the success of the surgery for Former CLCer . last and in between it was always what does the bible say about that and one then was expected to go by what the bible said, not by what one just thought for themselves. The fact the camp is fighting this says a lot about them. And it no longer felt likecounseling.". © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. It is pure evil. Pete Newman's Apology. Its a tough gig for lawyers trying to represent victims of clergy sexual abuse. The only caveat was that part of the reason you make sure you are giving the right kid to the right person has to do with things like custody disputes where the father (or mother) who doesnt have custody will kidnap the child. Whats the point of these background checks if they dont prevent hiring a criminal? Dave, did you know that Dr. Hawkes is a neuropsychologist? Thank you for the detailed information. @ BeenThereDoneThat: Even when long time Christian leaders are caught, excuses are made because we are all sinners. ", "It was just things that are not normal," Hoffpauir said. There is apparently such a thing a being a paedophile by proxy, deriving a sense of power and control through the activities of predators on ones staff, if the leadership was aware, enabling, then hiding, excusing the predator, and blaming and intimidating the victims. As you well know, we disagree vehemently on a number of issues, but were holding hands on this issue, Jack. This is worth fighting for. It could be literally years before a judgment comes inif ever. What else do they not believe? Bad press maybe. Do you think they believe in Christ yet dont believe this one passage? Milton Friedman talked about how you have to make it profitable for people to do the right thing, I think punitive is just the opposite of that, you make it costly to do the wrong thing. Few do. it was very moving. Disagreeing on method is all it is with me. He is victim prevention. Hi MUFF, Neither GRACE nor MinistrySafe brings lawsuits against churches. Be still and know that I am God? Ive sat through youth ministry volunteer training with MinistrySafe, and they get it. He is victim prevention. (Im sure there were campers getting together in high school but thats sort of normal). I havent heard any more about it. I think they have good intentions but nothing brings out truth better than discovery. I think they were all fine, but they were generally a bunch of people I knew well too. ", The lawsuit adds, "During each of these activities Defendant Newman falsely represented to the young Plaintiff that these behaviors were okay or normal and were not 'sinful'. I talked to Keith.". I thought that was interesting. Those poor zebras and giraffes. I would like to hear an explanation of why. Why do people keep supporting such places? The church oversaw several businesses run by members, including a building contractor. I think the last year he was in ministry was working for Wade. I know that can be confusing, but I have tried to explain it. NO what was done was painstakingly planned, patiently executed, and is ugly and disturbing beyond belief. Why cant churches have as much sense? In my young and energetic college years, I worked as a summer counselor for a few small, non-Christian camps. Nothing happened to you?' . The programs also went over grooming signs. Good point. And Jesus had a rather scathing viewpoint on this issue, ..whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. (Matt. I have ordered three of his cartoons for my home as well and have one in my living room. He says he wont sue the church, because he would find it uncomfortable to explain to Jesus how he took the churchs money and gave Him back 10%. So creepy. And the name Branson, MO sounds vaguely familiar. Thermidorians stage a Coup on the Jacobins, In fact, many here saw Criswell (his mentor) as a sort of backwoods demagogue. "And the counselor was like, the camp's reaching out to victims, and don't worry about that. (He remained in Kanakuk's employ until 2009.) Learning the truth was earth-shattering for us. And didnt your last article explain that Bryan Loritts himself was found out to be a voyeur in the womens bathroom? He was never a Kanakuk camper, but he said he took part in plenty of activities with Newman. if being sued is what it takes to make the Church more careful of its lambs, then let it be done. I am aware. Kanakuk camp 'abuse survivors' call for independent investigation into sexual assault accusations, that were reportedly flagged for Kanakuk leaders in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003 and 2006, recently issued an open letter to Kanakuk and its owner, Kanakuk issues new statement on camp child sex abuse; survivor calls it 'disgusting', were first published last year by The Dispatch, Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. that children, in their lives, will come in to contact with sex offenders (including those whove never been arrested, prosecuted, and convicted). I think this is one reason child sexual predation is played down and people end up feeling empathy for molesters especially Christian ones. But why would authority in one thing lead you to allow somebody else authority who is so obviously a problem (like, just for example, men awaiting trial for abusing children)? I wouldnt say its Christian themed. Life is a minefield. Please do not anybody make this about anything other than what I actually said. OK, bye.' This is called the Real Presence. We do not officially believe in transubstantiation, a catholic doctrine, to explain the Real presence, but some episcopalians do believe that, or so I understand. I suppose that assumes that they were. They honestly believe the leaders have the answers. The leadership, that knowingly invites the sick predators near children, has an even GREATER responsibility for what happens as a result. The important thing is to establish a political climate of opinion which will make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing. Thats a win! Is that the source of the classic hymn Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silent? @ okrapod: I might assume that there is reliance on the Holy Spirit at least in the reading and studying of the sacred Scriptures, So he would sayyou could do things like sing a worship song while you're masturbating, or you could quote Scripture while masturbating, or you could just not think of women. Camp officials reportedly rub elbows with powerful people, and have done so for a long time: In "Pure Excitement," a "righteous" guide to sex, love and dating for teenagers first published in 1996 by camp owner Joe White, White tells ofhis friendship with "an heir to the Coors brewery throne," Shane Coors. They are really parsing words instead warning the parents and students? 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