Because of that arrangement a The choke is an open cylinder, well suited for home defense, but not for hunting at anything past 20 yards with birdshot. Later on, when Remington came out with a new The 20 gauge is far easier for people of slight stature (and most anyone) to learn to shoot from the hip, than the 12 gauge, because of less recoil and intimidation. What I was not aware of was the unease I would have over the striker design. Pistol grip walnut stocks 14 LOP. Trapper. I also wished Id thought to scrounge up some paper-hulled shells to go with it. Over the following years, coach guns would be both bought and made by people in all walks of life. 20" Barrel, 7+1 capacity (2 3/4"). This is a neat little bead-sighted shotgun that handles well. Chambers are polished and chamfered, so shells go in and out like you remember when your wives were young. If a round isnt already chamber, still gives the perp your location. Your discussions, feedback and comments are welcome here as long as they are relevant and insightful. Barrels are 30" and have ver, #79XXX 30" DAMASUS BARRELS WITH FROSTED BORES MODIFIED AND MODIFIED 2 1/2" CHAMBERS DOUBLE TRIGGERS EXTRACTORS SPLINTER FOREARM PISTOL GRIP EXCELLENT MECHANICALLY ORIGINAL CONDITION, 30" MOD AND FULL 2 1/2" CHAMBERS STEEL BARRELS DOUBLE TRIGGER EXTRACTORS SPLINTER FOREARM PISTOL GRIP MOST OF THE ORIGINAL CASE COLORS LIGHT HANDLING MARKS IN THE WOOD 7LBS 13 0Z X 2 1/2 X 1. The Daly Coach Gun has barrels threaded for Rem choke tubes, adding versatility to this compact, break-action shotty. Constructed of a p 35 overall. After all, if you havent cocked themtheyre right in your facebut it could happen. That is all, pretty much, still true. only two, and that dimension is across the bolsters. Using a combo load of #4 and #00 buckshot covers both close encounters and something effective up to 25 yards. gauge gun. Solid gun in good condition. on the coach dbl option for the HD, i think 2 slugs or 2 DBL 00 loads would be good. At best it will penetrate only a few inches of gelatin and would probably be stopped by winter clothing Be the first to know of our latest discoveries and exclusive offers. This item has some minor scratches and surface rust residue on the barrel and some scratches on the stock. A fine high condition Remington 1894 AE Grade shotgun with 32" Damascus barrels. From the fields and waterways of America, to the front lines of law enforcement, Remington shotguns continue to lead the way for the American way of life. Brass bead front sight. Remington produced about 850,000 Model 11 shotguns before the end of production in 1947, and they were used fairly extensively by the military for training and operations during World War II. The double-barrel is about as politically correct as a shotgun can be. Cimarron Firearms has a reputation for their excellent reproductions of Old West pistols, rifles and shotguns. They compliment my edc Cimarron bad boy .44 revolver. Remington Shotguns The term originated in the 1858 when Wells Fargo & Co. messengers were outfitted with short Ithaca shotguns to guard stagecoach shipments along the lawless 2,800-mile route from Tipton, Missouri to San Francisco. E. Model 1882 shotgun that were originally made for rifle inserts will contain sights secured on the barrel rib the same as the ones found on Whit more combos and double rifles. The Triple Threat is the abbreviated version of the Triple Crown shotgun with 18.5-inch barrels. changed and is still quite tall. Choked Full and Mod. Interesting that the Grade 2 illustrated on the previous page does not have Twist Steel barrels, but a different type of unusual Damascus. The overall length is 37 inches, and the shotgun weighs about 7.5 pounds. For personal defense, the double-barrel handles quickly and points well. At 10 feet (I didnt pattern at 15), my coach gun (CAI, 12 gauge 20 bbl) has a spread of right about 3+ inches. 10 1/4-11 1/2 rifle-caliber carbine is superior in every way. I could be wrong, but thats just the way I see it. (06130) This is a new CZ Hammer Coach side-by-side shotgun chambered in 12g. But if you have your heart set on that exposed-hammer goodness, theres at least one other option out there if you dont want to hit the used market. Off topic but just as important: why isnt the liberal press giving us, NRA/gun owners more credit for defeating Hilary? I would think 18 or 20 pellets (27 in 12 ga 2.75). From the fields and waterways of America, to the front lines of law enforcement, Remington shotguns continue to lead the way for the American way of life. As a five shot double action revolving shoulder weapon, one can put a number of bursts on a target at in-house distances that will definitely put the hurt on a bad guy in short order. But it also means the gun requires a bit of breaking in. 146 1 Image (s) CZ Hammer Coach 12g 20" Shotgun NEW (06130) Gun #: 939395544 Seller: The Exchange GA Sales: 15824 $919.00 Full Details More from this Seller 1 Image (s) CZ-USA 06130 Hammer Coach 12 Gauge with 20" Gun #: 924408149 Seller: Oaklandguns GA Sales: 480 $988.81 20 gauge is a great choice for people of light of stature. Major and minor roadways have always been prime places for folks to get robbed by various forms of bandits. Of course, their use wasnt limited to stagecoaches. Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns made prior to 1899. Made around 1906, this AE has lots of case colors and is tight as a vault. Original Item: Only One Available. I agree with your comment, Ed. Most of the shells fired have been Winchesters 7 birdshot. My home defense is #3 buckshot in 20 ga in a shortened but vent rib Mossberg. The other option for a hammerless gun would be an elastic shell holder on the buttstock, chambers empty, and practice quickly loading. ATTENTION: Please be aware of online merchants impersonating as direct Stoeger retailers. The extra barrel doesnt add nearly as much weight or awkwardness as you might think, and the gun just feels good and shoots really well. and began to manufacture the new Remington Model Remington Shotguns. Quality steel receiver & barrel. Bores are excellent. The double-barrel is also fun to shoot. Year after year, decade after decade, they withstand the test of time and conquer all rivals. Not to mention the joy of shooting one of the above beautiful examples. The handsome and affordable single- and double-trigger scatterguns pack a potent punch. This 1889 has 20" barrels. With a powerful firearm and an instant second shot, coupled with excellent handling qualities, these shotguns filled a real need. The bores are very good. I just dont see the need in the confines of my bedroom. the more popular rotating top lever for opening the action The record shows Remington Ammunition has recently discovered an issue related to its 12-Gauge Premier Accutip ammo and issued a recall notice. Has auto ejectors. Bob, That may well be true and no argument there. I do NOT like hammer guns for self defense a hammer-less double will give you the second shot without any practice. - SEMI PISTOL GRIP STOCK WITH REMINTON LOGO BUTTPLATE - LOP 14 1/4" - DC 1 1/2, 12 gauge, 30" fluid steel barrels choked full & full. Also, if one restocks a standard pump such as a Remington 870 or a Mossberg 500, with pistol grips and no buttstock, even the ubiquitous pump gun gets pretty compact. of 1882 and 1883 show five grades that were offered for this 30 inch damascus barrels. I carried a short double barrel 12 ga shotgun as a Police Officer and found the psychological effects of the appearance of a double barrel in the hands of an Officer is very effective at deescalating a situation. You can reload without taking the weapon out of the fight. The sound of a pump action will scare the Hell out ofwhatever. The audible racking of a pump is probably overrated, because you are likely to do it before the bad guy is close enough to hear it. Average front room 15. And yes my state allows you to chase them down outside and shoot them. Additionally, if youre going to spend extended time at the range or firing any kind of 3-inch magnum shells, just be aware the Hammer Coach comes with an old-school steel buttplate. I have several Mossys in 20 ga excellent inexpensive insurance. Specifications Among a few high-tech variants in 20-gauge slugs, this loading offers formidable effect at ranges longer than 25 yards. Some coach style guns come with choke tubes, which is useful. I agree, Les..While bird shot loads would not be my first choice as defensive loads, at close range..AKA in-the-house..such loads can be very effective. Their 1878 Coach Gun got its inspiration by an actual period coach gun in their collection. Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921 (a) (16) defines antique firearms as all guns made prior to 1899. This law exempts antique firearms from any form of gun control or special engineering. With the open-choke barrels of the coach gun, 15 yards is the limit for retaining a good pattern for best effect, which isnt different from the average riot gun. A 10 1/4-11 1/2 AR based carbine, such as a Colt Commando, XM177 or 607 is even better. Good article in particular Its important to discuss the 20 ga which I seldom see done. Shotgun is equipped with ejectors. Add the gorgeous color case hardening on the receiver and triggerguard, and this is one fine shotgun, inside and out. For those who wonder if the shot will leave the cup at short ranges, a tip: Use Rio Royal Buck no cup (I dont think other brands of buckshot do either I would never trust birdshot), extremely reliable, and certainly does the job. This law exempts antique firearms from any form of gun control or special engineering because they are not legally considered firearms. This product is not available for shipping in US state(s). I keep a Stoeger Coach gun loaded with 3 000 buck by my bedside for things that go bump in the night. When I did private security work I always carried a 590 for backup before law enforcement could be summoned and arrive. Manufacturer: CZ-USA Model: CZ Hammer Classic - Side by Side SKU: 06131 Gauge: 12 GA, 3" Chamber Capacity: 2 Rounds Barrel Length: 30" 8mm Flat Rib, Gloss Black Chro .Click for more info Seller: Elk County Ammo and Arms Area Code: 814 $999.99 Taylor's & Co. Pedersoli Wyatt Earp 12 Gauge 20" Shotgun 210113 GI#: 102162659 Try it with the 410 in a judge and it will scare you how bad an idea this is. Gorgeous stocks and mint mirror bores, #115XXX 30" STEEL BARRELS FULL AND FULL 2 1/2" CHAMBERS DOUBLE TRIGGER EXTRACTORS SPLINTER FOREARM PISTOL GRIP EXCELLENT ORIGINAL CONDITION 2WITH LIGHT WEAR 7LBS 13 OZ 2 1/2 DAH 1 1, "Remington 1894 CE Grade 12 Gauge shotgun. Please try a new zip code and search again. However, it is ultimately the responsibility of the buyer to be in compliance of laws that govern their specific location. Starting with a receiver machined from an 8 1/2-pound billet of steel might not be the easiest way to build a shotgun, but the end result is well worth the extra effort. Dark-stained Walnut hardwood stock w/checkered forearm & grip. The tang safety means the gun can be carried while hunting with the hammers cocked and the safety on. enable_page_level_ads: true How far before shot cup flies off of shot to allow spread? Choked Improved Modified and Improved Cylinder. Damascus barrels with excellent bores choked full & cylender. Modern Century Arms double-barrel coach guns also feature a handy tang-mounted safety. 30" barrel is missing the front sight. Present day collectors and researchers now call this a Remington Whitmore Model 1873 shotgun. That same reliability has made the Model 870 one of the most adaptable shotgun designs ever, and the best-selling shotgun of all time. When Daly introduced its triple-barrel break action shotguns a few years ago, there were a lot of sneers and jokes, until people started shooting them. It is politically correct and legal where other types of long guns are not. Sling swivel. The double-barrel shotgun offers a formidable deterrent. Fore-end secured in place with a barrel wedge allowing very speedy stripping. It allows me to get off two very powerful shots very quickly; much the same way an African double rifle allows professional hunters to dispatch the most dangerous of African game when it gets up close and personal. (designed by L. L. Hepburn for the second model Whitmore Shotgun is used in good condition with some wear. Double Barreled "Sawed-Off" Stagecoach Shotgun # 802422 $144.95 or 4 interest-free payments of $36.24 with This cut-down version of the famous Coach Gun was a favorite among barkeeps throughout the Wild West. For those in an urban setting, the shotgun with proper loads makes for a good Brooklyn special. Show Only Non-Guns. Model 1885 shotgun, there is another smaller frame designed It has a 19.75" barrel with full choke and matte black finish. Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns made prior to 1899. Coach guns have extractors, but no ejectors (like a single-shot external hammer gun I have). Simply break open the action and load the shells then close the action. The Remington Armory did not yet offer 16 gauge. The Grade 6 that is illustrated is the only one known at this time. As far as cost reasons to buy a coach gun, Cheaperthandirt has many pump actions for less than what the CZ coach gun costs. Early on, there were many collectors and writers that called this shotgun a Model 1874, but this is not correct. I think you need to read his comment because he doesnt mentioned firing on a fleeing perp. I wouldnt be writing off that slide rack intimidation so quickly. Original Item: Only One Available. CZ-USA Hammer Coach 12ga 20" Black Chrome Barrel, 3" Chamber, Color Case Hardened Metal Fi 1115 Denix 1868 Wyatt Earp Double Barrel Coach Shotgun Replica, ONE OF 20 ITHACA's 37 & 87 SHOTGUNS 12Ga, Ata Shotguns-foxtrot Llc Etro, Ata Etro09 12ga Pump 18.5 Syn, LEGION USA SAIGA IZ-406 12GA AK SHOTGUN W/ DRAGUNOV STOCK & FOREARM. The guns of the Civil war were certainly effective. The Daly Coach Gun has barrels threaded for Rem choke tubes, adding versatility to this compact, break-action shotty. Compare. Fact is even a .410 can be pretty effective with proper shot placement at close range. They also add a couple of steps to the loading and firing process. By purchasing an antique gun from Ancestry Guns you thereby release Ancestry Guns and its employees from any and all liability associated with use of our antique firearms. need to be practiced as well. Show Only with Pictures Bores are bri, 30" DAMASCUS BARRELS GREAT BORES 010 AND 021 2 1/2" CHAMBERS DOUBLE TRIGGER EXTRACTORS SPLINTER FOREARM PISTOL GRIP ORIGINAL CONDITION WITH LIGHT WEAR 7LBS 5 OZ 3 DAH 2 DAC 1, Remington 1900 12 gauge side by side shotgun. Compared to a pump-action shotgun the double barrel is compact. In came the need for coach guns. The turkey loads produced dense and deadly patterns for a gobbler at 25 yards despite the cylinder choke. We wish we did not have to consider this, but sometimes we do. I recommend cocking only one hammer at a time until you are very familiar with the shotgun. Though well worn, this rare shotgun contains a very fine Damascus pattern found on some of the high-grade English doubles. Something about those side-by-side barrels with the ears of the hammers sitting behind them just brings the scent of worn saddle leather to your nostrils as you squint against a non-existent glare. Yeah, but 20 inches is a great length, giving the gun excellent balance and a smooth swing. Though many in general will not admit it. I am convinced these are original 29, Make offer! The bead front sight side in place but one tang screw and one is absent. Please see our. Most women can handle the 20 gauge more accurately and consistently/reliablyand allows for more PRACTICE and Familiarization with the firearm. Realistic time-worn look and working parts just like the original 1881 percussion cap design. That turnabout has served a number of times since then to remind our so-called representatives that Americas gun owners are indeed a force with which to be reckoned. The double-barrel is also easy to train with. GOOD SOLID WOOD SHOWING SOME, This 12 Ga Remington 1894 BE Shotgun has 32 browned tapered round Damascus barrels with a bead sight installed on the matted rib. (Marked on the barrels). Whether or not you can handle it is another story. I havent really used a double but my short same length barrel pump i normally keep a couple round of #6 followed by a round or 2 #4 buck shot( which i used as my load in law enforcement more pellets same power) with the last round being a slug because by that time your probably shooting outside. But why limit yourself to two shots when you can have three? It is my wifes primary home defense weapon. The spread from the short barrels also made it much easier to hit moving targets from a bouncing coach. In reality, Jimmy, the blunderbuss was a single barrel gun, since the flared muzzle would preclude two barrels collimated side by side. Up close there is little spread on any shotgun round. What works in the movies, does not work in real life. Condition is good but has a scratched stock Pre-Owned - Remington 12 Gauge Shotgun Action: Side by Side Barrel: 28" Chopper Lump Capacity: Rare grade 3 gun w very low SN (160) with a good amount of nicely done scroll engraving and fine 30" damascus barrels w 2 3/4" chambers. I have an old style exposed hammer coach gun. It was 2,800 miles of rough country full of rough people and defense was necessary. Legal Notice - International Military Antiques, Inc observes all Federal, State and local laws. These features continued to be present throughout Auto safety and properly functioning ejectors. For longer-range use, the Hornady 20-gauge Lite Slug is a great choice. At in the house ranges, it is deadly and will make a mess of anyone hit with it! 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